March 13, 2009

The Coming Evangelical Collapse

There is a lot of interesting discussion going on about these articles on
  1. My Prediction: The Coming Evangelical Collapse
  2. What will be left when Evangelicalism collapses?
  3. Is this a good thing?
For a relatively shorted version of the article you can go here.

So, what do you think?


  1. Michael Spencer also writes a blog called Jesus Shaped Spirituality at

    I both agree and disagree with Michael in his prediction. He's just a tad "the sky is falling". I believe evangelicalism is not going to disappear soon - I do think it will evolve and hopefully improve. For me it is imperative that any church foundation be biblical - and I worry for those (such as my old Lutheran church) who are caving in to societal pressures such as accepting gay lifestyles. I would like to see more emphasis in our own non-denominational church on issues such as Lent - let's take a poll and see how many of our congregation actually understand what Lent is about. I find myself looking more and more into Orthodox these days. There was an article in the DDN the other day on a Unitarian Universalist Reverend who pointed proudly to a quilt with a pentagram on it and spoke of respecting all religions. Further in the article another member believes Jesus was a prophet much like Moses. Not our Savior, but a Prophet. She also said some of their "religion" believe in God and some don't and that just floored me. How can you be a Christian and not subscribe to Christian beliefs?? This is why I think we need to be careful of the "feel-good" stuff and concentrate on the basics. JMHO. Blessings, Linda

  2. I didn't spend any time looking around his website, but I have to wonder about the "10 year collapse" prediction if there's a connection in his mind with "that man in the White House" as I've heard him referred to.

    Certainly many of our churches have put buildings before people and worshipped at the altar of political power, but I'm not sure that Christianity will become irrelevant or persecuted that quickly. If we use Europe as a guide (which we often do), then I see the institutional church becoming increasingly uninteresting to the general population, but not necessarily the hated sect that it was during the Early Church period of history.

    I'm not sure his prediction is incorrect, just not sure it will happen in a decade.

  3. I don't care when it happens, but it must happen. We have fallowed grounds, covered in rubble. Until we plow them and break up the roots... it's not worth building on.

    Some of us have to go deeper than others... but it has to come. It must.

    I can't wait till the day revival breaks out in the grocery stores, at taco bell, people end up stopped in traffic weeping because the Glory of God has shown up so mightily people can't do anything but plead for Mercy and fall prostate at His feet...

    God bring it! Please!

  4. I don't think I agree with the time frame, but I think I agree with the idea that things are shifting. To place a time frame on it is to neglect the tenacity with which things seem to hold on.

    Does there need to be a change? Yes...I think several years of decline for the church worldwide have indicated that reality.

    I also agree with some of his points...evangelicalism has aligned itself too much with political parties and methodologies and what it is against rather than with the person of Jesus Christ.

    We haven't passed on an intelligible faith. I meet Christians all the time who don't know, really, what they SHOULD believe. They have beliefs, but as Barna research also indicates, it is far from Christian.

    There has been a trend toward separation from the world that has left the world without a Gospel-centered influence. You can't influence the world from a holy huddle outside.

    I don't think this is meant to be doom and gloom...I think it is meant to remind us that "movements" tend to die off, but Jesus' mission into this world never will. This will change, but God's Word will continue to reach into our world and transform lives. We get to be part of creating, with God, what that will look like.